I was wondering. I dated a girl once from Alabama and she used to tease me I guess and say "You know, Virginia is not the Real South".And I felt like saying- yeah, but we were Southern long before Alabama ever existed! But I was too polite to say anything. So, if Virginia is not "The Real South", are we a diet coke version of the South? I realize very few people think D.C. and Northern Virginia are "South" anymore- although they used to very well be. I guess things do change. But I definitely consider myself a Southerner. I mean, sweet tea flows through my blood line.

Virginia? is that one of those small states in the New England area?

what was the shape of the "real south" of this so called girlfriend?
canoe or teepee?
just trying to speak in your native tongue

You dated a real girl?

Virginia is the oldest of the Southern states. We invented much of what the rest of the South copied and stoled from us- including the first recipe for sweet tea and spoonbread. Not to mention, Richmond was the longest running Capital of the glorious Confederacy. We grow cotton and peanuts here. Call us "Mid Atlantic" if you must, but never dare call us the North. Ever.

north or south Virginia?

Ban this asshole, now.

This guy is not fucking autistic.

Douchebaggery does not a Rainman make.

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Man, fuck that guy.
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No, Virginians are lumped in with Maryland, D.C., etc.

Real people in the real south are something you don't want to be, trust me.

But you're missing the point. You're too old to care about these kinds of things. Don't tie up your identity with the state you live in...that's been a mistake formerly banned orgers have made.

It's time for your nuts to secede from the north so you can be your own person, Virginian or not.
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Yes, but Richmond is closer to North Carolina than it is to D.C. Look at the gap between Richmond and D.C. Ain't no big cities in Virginia like there are in the Northeast- one after the other . Northern Virginia is just a big suburb, but it is still different from D.C. and Maryland. People coming across the Potomac feel the change right away. I am a Real Southerner. My family comes from Richmond for over 12 generations. And yes, I know what real Southern food tastes like- I was raised on it. I know what real Southern is, because I was exposed to it. I know all the little stuff that goes with it too. The nice to your face, fake behind your back, good 'ol boy vs redneck, etc. The ancestor worship.. I know all of that. You don't know the real Virginia, if all you've had is NOVA. Thats why in 1957, my mother hopped on the train to get as far away from Richmond aka "The South", as she could. Ironically, she wound up back there, and now her ashes are buried there. I'm not old. I'm probably around your age. I've been to the Deep South, The only thing that is more Southern there is that people used "might could" a lot more.

And of course there's this:
http://youtu.be/CUOie0dTeEw

I'm more intrigued about this dating that went on. Fuck north/south - you're all Yankees to me.

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Well, Texas sure ain't the South. Its out West. Maybe East Texas, but the rest of it is Western, not Southern. Dallas is not very Southern at all.

Wikipedia:

"The U.S. state of Texas declared its secession from the United States on February 1, 1861, and joined the Confederate States of America on March 2, 1861, ..."

Texas is as Southern as bourbon whiskey and Jim Crow.

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I'm sorry, but now you're just being a dumbass. Texas is Southern. Dallas is Southern.

There's a big difference between northern Indiana and southern Indiana, just as there are differences between Richmond and DC. A lot of states are like that. It's not that big of a fucking deal, so quit being so God damn stupid.

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Yes Virginia, Virgina is still the South. Just not deep South.


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Meade Skelton, BAM! The future of country music. Meade Skelton, BAM! The future of country music.
Meade Skelton, BAM! The future of country music.

Are you referencing Bam! magazine?

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I ain't got nothing but love for you now.

Texas is only 'Southern' to Non-Southerners who see movies and TV shows. But I will concede then. IMO, Texas is not truly Southern- like say the way Georgia and The Carolinas or even Virginia are Southern. Its much more Western and cowboy culture- its just very different. And the accents out there, just totally different. To most Non-Southerners they think Texas is like the epitome of Southern culture, but to real Southerners, we know better. Its just a whole 'nother country. Same with Louisiana. That being said, Texas does have great BBQ.

Nick: 97X?
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Meade,

If I were a Southerner I would hope most people would include a state that brings Austin into the equation just to balance out Mississippi's inclusion.

Portland, Seattle, San Fancisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego are all vastly different cities. But they are all still "West Coast".

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'Nick: 97X?'

Yup. Great job!

Meade is right. Texas is not the South. Parts of East Texas are similar, but the rest of the state is very different.

Man, fuck that state.
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Yes, Willie Cash, but you see there is still that aura of "Southern" that connects the South from Virginia to Georgia and westward. I would say that line stops at East Texas, with most of Texas being atypically Southern- in terms of culture, attitude, cuisine, dialect, and all those certain idiosyncrasies which are nuances that you pick as being "Southern". Yes, each state is different, but Texas is not typically Southern in the traditional sense. Like it was never truly part of the Old South.

Yeah. I hate to say this....but I agree with you.

Even us "rednecks" in Texas...for the most part don't have that Southern attitude.

Thank God.
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Redneck is not the same as Southern. In fact, they are more like Yankees.

So are all southerners fat, homophobic, racist and stupid like you Meade?

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Yeah, Texas isn't really part of the southern BS he's talking about. It is more of a western culture. I don't think there's as much fake gentility and inbreeding there. The original south/current south east is what Meade's going on about. I don't know why he's going on about it, but that is in fact what he's doing.
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The thing I never got about Texas was how every small town has a town square and an "Opera House".

Why are we putting on so many fucking plays???

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i like the way texas is shaped....that's about it though.

Best shaped motherfucking
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You know what I say? I say 'Texas, Schmexas'.

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You don't really say that.






Do you?!
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Uh...no. I thought everybody lied here.

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Ive lost some weight, and Im not really fat. The South does have the best lookin' women.

You're trippin'

It's kind of like how ALL black men LOVE fat, white women. Perspective.

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Alright. Fair enough. 95%
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who's fat here?

Hous Fartine?

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"Yeah, Texas isn't really part of the southern BS he's talking about. It is more of a western culture. I don't think there's as much fake gentility and inbreeding there."

Correct.

"I am a Real Southerner. My family comes from Richmond for over 12 generations. And yes, I know what real Southern food tastes like- I was raised on it. I know what real Southern is, because I was exposed to it. I know all the little stuff that goes with it too. The nice to your face, fake behind your back, good 'ol boy vs redneck, etc. The ancestor worship.. I know all of that"

I'm not sure where someone gets a sense of pride from this, honestly. George Carlin has a bit about how stupid it is to be proud to be born Irish. You are proud of the one thing (being Southern) that you played no part in accomplishing.

Real Southerners, as I referred to them, work hard, don't complain/obsess about their looks, and have survival skills. They can hunt, fish, grow food, and they look older than 24, even if they're 18 because they spend a lot of time outside kicking ass at the aforementioned. They don't live on trust funds and take 1,000 pictures of themselves wearing fake cowboy shit.

You're not a real southerner and I don't think you want to be one. I wouldn't be surprised if you carry a compact and concealer make up. Yankee Doodle Dandy.
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plus fucking one.

Also, I've known drag queens who are less dramatic and more "Southern" than you.

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I bet Meade prays for Paula Deen

...and sausages^^

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^Said the Troll King.
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Mister Ely,

You're talking about blue collar vs white collar. I'm talking about Southern. All the things you said could apply to poor Yankee farmers in the Midwest or poor people in Appalachia that live in Upstate New York. I know lots of people from New England that would fit your description. Being "Country" , also , while closely linked, is not the same as being "Southern". The South takes more pride in our provincialism- but its not quite the same as Northern Provincialism. That is not being a "real" Southerner.

BTW, I can hunt, fish, and ride with the best of them. If you want to be "Country". Just listen to Country radio today and their fake "redneck" anthems- lots of these people aren't even from the South. They're form Ohio or Canada something. That is not synonomous with South. You can tell I'm from the South, just by the way I dress. For heaven's sakes. Northern men spike their hair with gel and wear muscle t-shirts and prance around like apes. Just watch "Jersey Shore" and you'll see what I mean.

PLEASE MAKE ME A MOD!


LET ME DO YOUR DIRTY WORK FOR YOU!

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"Northern men spike their hair with gel and wear muscle t-shirts and prance around like apes."

He really pegged the balv there I have to admit.

Actually that sounds more like South Beach which is in the South.

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Florida, like Texas is not "The South" culturally anymore. With the exception of extreme north Florida. Anything South of Orlando- or actually south of Tallahassee for that matter is the North turned upside down. My father jokes Florida is so far South, you're in the North again, lol.

Oh, well who cares. I just think its nice to be Southern. I have nothing against those that aren't. But it is a badge of distinction that I wear with great pride.

You should get a rainbow flag to fly while you're at it.

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I think All Y'all are just jealous because I'm the only true Southerner on the message board, lol.

We haven't lost any wars in the last 200 years - how about you?

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I like that Meade is educating us, yet the thread title is a question.


One thing I will never ever understand is Southerner's pride and ownership of sweet tea and grits. Please explain. I hate both of those things, if I lived in the south would I be blackballed from hootenannies and have to sit with the negros at Cracker Barrel?

"But it is a badge of distinction that I wear with great pride"

I bet it looks great next to your Smokey the Bear patch.

Think about it.

Negros don't go to Cracker Barrel.
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Come to think of it, I've never seen a black man eat a nutty cheese ball.

^ Holy shit! Neither have I, inky. I've also never seen a black man eat pussy.

Nutty cheese ball? wtf?

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SM - you don't remember nutty cheese balls? Pepperidge Faaaaam Remembers.
http://www.recipe.com/images/nutty-cheese-log-22600001rca-ss.jpg

Confirmed on that too, nick. And I've watched a lot of porn. A lot.

I love the folks at Pepperidge Farm, I think it's great they make a cookie that tastes like Samantha Micelli.

I have seen Negroes at the Cracker Barrel outside of Richmond. They usually order the country fried steak. But it does seem they prefer Lee's Fried Chicken. Always lots of them in there.

Grits are really good if they are done right. I especially like cheese grits. They're always a must for brunch. And, of course, sweet tea is good too. I've tried un-sweet tea. Its just nasty stuff. Nasty. I would rather just have plain 'ol water than have unsweet tea.

Hey! Stop watching black people eat. They've been through enough.

"I have seen Negroes at the Cracker Barrel outside of Richmond. They usually order the country fried steak. But it does seem they prefer Lee's Fried Chicken. Always lots of them in there."

How are you not aware that you're so a cunt?!?!
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According to Ely Plain, you're not a "real Southerner" unless you're something in tune with Larry, The Cable Guy....

'Hey! Stop watching black people eat. They've been through enough.'

I don't know why, but this made me laugh really fucking loud.


Here's how I know prideful Southerners are pieces of shit; when they say they are 'as southern as....' the word following the second 'as' is always a food.

Glad I can make you laugh, nick.

i read in the bible that sweet tea is the drink that gay greek men used to celebrate with after their gay orgy. then they would feed each other sweet tea leaves with their toes.

nick is not easy to impress....it's like his shit doesn't stink.

Well, it is sort of ironic. As manly as many of us Southern men are, we sure do have a peculiar predilection for such a sissy-fied drink. However, once you've tasted the sweetness, its hard to go back.

It suits you though, vasinger. With your smooth milky skin. I bet you feel softer than a baby's inner thigh.

is it true that white people were not allowed to sit inside the bus in virginia in the 1980s, but they had to sit on the roof with the cotton and corn that the buses used to take from Downstown to Incestville?

I don't know about the 80's, but I did read in the 1960's the residents of The South loved black people so much they showed their appreciation by building them their very own water fountains and wouldn't let white people drink from them.

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Honestly, it worked out better that way. When schools were de-segregated all the white people left the city. Now things are more segregated that way.

Meade, 2 questions:

1) Have you ever been out of Virginia? What states have you visited?

2) Do you have any black friends and do you call them "negroes" to their face?

Oh, yes I'm very well travelled. I have been to Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. I took trips up to New York City when I was a young boy, but I don't remember it very well.

I went to school with many people of different races- but we had more Negroes than Orientals, if memory serves me correctly. Yes, I did have friends of those races, but I called them by their names, not by their race.

'Well, it is sort of ironic. As manly as many of us Southern men are, we sure do have a peculiar predilection for such a sissy-fied drink.'

There is absolutely nothing ironic about you drinkin' a sissy-f(r)ied drink.

That's not well-traveled. You've never even been up north, at least not that you can remember. This explains why you know absolutely nothing about us Yanks.

Have you ever even been out of the States? Canada and Mexico and the Caribbean aren't that far away, you know? Live a little.

Well I been to that New York City place when my dad would take business trips up there. But I do get around. I mean I've been to Nashville 5 times. Thats a world class city.

Why haven't you been a victim of an autoerotic asphyxiation incident yet?

Btw. God hates you.
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"Why haven't you been a victim of an autoerotic asphyxiation incident yet?"

He hasn't seen you in a thong yet. Not saying that does anything for me...I'm just saying.


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"According to Ely Plain, you're not a "real Southerner" unless you're something in tune with Larry, The Cable Guy...."

Interesting mention of Larry the Cable guy, who actually has a fake southern accent.

Meade - You are more like Larry the Cable Guy than Jeff Foxworthy. Also, in 2012 no one outside of a nursing home says Orientals or Negros.

I've updated Snopes.com with this information. Verdict: FAKE.

Unrelated, have you been to a restaurant on downtown Broad St. called "Comfort"? It's a fine southern establishment.
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Yes, I know he's a fake. I guess That was my point.

Anyways, I think we've come to a good conclusion. Its obvious that Virginia is and always will be the South, even with occcupied "NOVA" and other things lumping us in with the Mid-Atlantic region. Moreso, than Texas, although I guess here's the bottom line: The South is the 11 Former States of the Confederacy. That leaves out the border states, so it takes care of the Marylanders, Kentuckians, Missouri folks, and all the wannabees. Yay, we're done.

Yes, I have been to "Comfort". Its fake. A real Southern restaurant in Richmond is called the Strawberry Street Cafe. Because its just a bunch of Richmonders who enjoy the bath tub salad bar.

"bath tub salad bar"

Shudders to think...
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You live in a very small southern bubble and you don't even know it, Meade.

I'm not saying you have to necessarily travel to experience other types of people and things, but it's like your brain can't get past the county line.