$2600 bodies only DSLRs. Full frame sensors
NIKON D700
Canon 5D Mark II

$500 high end pint and shoots
Nikon P7000
Canon G12.

I'm sick of thinking about it. Tonight I feel like going with the G12 if I can find focus rings for macro work.

go with the 5d if you're into shooting really nice looking video. plus it's got a full frame sensor (i believe the d700 does as well), meaning your lenses will all be the advertised focal length and you'll have some amazing quality photos

i've recently been turned onto the lumix gf1...i like the g12's though too..i dont like the nikon point and shoots. don't know about dslrs

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=lumix+gf1&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10644634786606240768&ei=nRIYTfSJAcL88AbL1umhDg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEQQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers

the g12 is an amazing camera...I used the g9 for years. I picked up a 60d recently, but still use the g9 when I don't want to carry a big camera. I'm a canon guy, so I can't really help much on the comparisons.

my buddy just got the canon s95 for christmas yesterday and i was very impressed for such a little camera

lots of easy to use manual controls optional and a low f number of "2.0"


however

my brother just got a canon 7d and I couldn't be more jealous



different classes altogether though. apples and oranges.

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I'm currently pimpin the 2004 Sony Cybershot. A solid choice in the lower-low to low range "point-n-shoot" demographic. The 1"x1" rear screen is an industry leader in size.

I'm leaning toward the G12.

I used mostly Pentax and some Nikon in the film days. Nikon Coolpix from 1998 until now.

I have friend who has become my favorite landscape and bird photographer and he has moved up with Canon until he now has the 5D Mark II. I've been following his work and obsessively been looking at Flickr for best pics of the last 7 days and searching by various cameras. It would be hard to argue anything is better than that camera for landscape images. It seems after looking for awhile one can guess above 90% of the time and be right that it's a Canon that took a particular shot.

I have several old and some quite good Nikon lenses and if it was not for those I would drop even thinking about the Nikons.

To start with Canon and get the macro lens I would want I'd need to spend around $4,000.00. I could could get a G12 with some non-Canon macro lenses for probably around $600 - $700. Granted I could not manual focus but I've seen some amazing macro focus stacking work on Flickr done with the Nikon P7000 and I see no reason the same could not be done with the G12 with similar lens attachments.

Those full frame sensor images especially the Canon are second to none especially when you start blowing them up but something tells me I'm not serious enough or willing to put the time in to make it worth it so I should go high end point and shoot like the G12.

Then there's all those cameras in between.

These are some attachments for the G12 that look like some good Macro enhancement solutions:

http://www.lensmateonline.com/

http://raynox.co.jp/english/dcr/dcr250/indexdcr250eg.htm


Thanks for the tips and reviews.

check out the panasonic!

Which Panasonic? I talked my mom into a Panasonic Lumix from Costco. It's 2 years old. I suggested it for her because the controls seemed as simple as they get.

gf 1


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Thanks. That's one of those mirror-less ones that I'm interested in as well. I'll take some looks.

There are only two people who spend $2600 on a camera:

1). A professional photographer

2). A pretentious asshole who has too much money to spend.



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Dudeman. Just a few short years ago 3MP cameras non DSLR were about $1200. The $2,600 full frame cameras now are the low end professional cameras. The thing is even if you are a pretentious asshole the images just look noticeably better when compared with lesser cameras. I would argue professionals, on average, spend $3000.00 or more for their bodies. Many pros now like to have a P7000 or a G12 along for when they don't want to drag out the big guns.

Are you a professional photographer, as in, do you make your living taking and selling photographs?



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dudeman!! I am not pretentious!!

awu, you can manual focus on the g12...not sure if that changes with any macro attachment, but the camera itself has manual focus.

Hmmm? Dudeman. Normally I would say no. I do have a job though and part of the job responsibilities are to take photographs via microscopes, copy stand and field shots. Whatever I do outside can enhance what I know and do at work.

Damn it sean. You're making it difficult for me to conveniently stereotype people on the internets...



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sean. this is good to know and I could not find answers to this. with my old coolpix 4500 and I think the 990 one could manual focus but it sucked because you can't see the manual focus. you had to turn the knob and each click equaled a certain distance. someone even made a micro chart you could put inside the card slot door but i was not willing to try the manual focus that way. I wonder how the G12 handles this without a focus ring?

It's ok dudman, you can stereotype me ;) I have both the 5D Mark II and the G11

that's alright. you nailed "asshole..."

"It's ok dudman, you can stereotype me ;) I have both the 5D Mark II and the G11 "

holy crap that's awesome

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As awesome as the G9/11/12 are (not so much the G10) I find myself only using the G11 when on vacation somewhere where I want quick shots and I don't want to lug around a huge lens. The last time I used it was in Vegas.

Though if it were up to me I'd have the 1D Mark IV.

Well, I'm about to eat my words here but I'm looking to upgrade my current Camera to something with a little more power and functionality.

I'm not prepared to drop the amount that would put me in the "pretentious asshole" range (not because I have a problem being a pretentious asshole but because I can't afford it...) but definitely want to upgrade to either a high end point & shoot or low to mid range SLR. I prefer Canon products.

How are the cameras in the Canon Rebel series?

I know we talked about a couple cameras on fb, but the rebel series is very good. if you can spend the extra money, get the 60d, but the t2i is a really nice camera.

I'm still interested in the Canon G12. I've placed my order for a Canon 5D Mark II but I'm not paying for that if it goes through. If you want to stay under the $400 range and don't mind Nikon. The P300 that someone mentioned above looks really good for low light live music shots and has really good HD video. Enough choices to make heads spin.

I'm changing my request for a Canon 5D Mark II to the Nikon D800 when it comes out.

For my personal purchase I'm going cheap for now. Waiting on a full frame for now and getting this today.

looks like nikon's version of the g series. I'm sure it's great. good luck with it.

I actually just picked up the sigma 70-200mm f2.8 ex dg os lens on sunday...

Wow. That's a huge lens you got there.



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Thnaks Sean. I was playing with a G12 in BestBuy last night but I think I'm going with the Nikon. I want the 200 mmm equivalent zoom to snap pictures at Merlefest this year and my seats are about 20 rows back from the main stage. I also will use it for lots of mushroom pics. I think it will be fun to see how much i can get out of a smaller sensor point and shoot and know I did not spend much money. I think I'll purchase the new stereo mic that fits on the hotshow as well. I can see using that for live concert video.

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Wow. That's a huge lens you got there.

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if I had a nickel...

that's very cool about the mic. does the g12 have that capability?

the more advanced point and shoots are pretty amazing. here's a few shots that I took with the g9. I tried to give you a variety of style, distance, dof, and lighting, just to get an idea. keep in mind that the g9 is 3 generations old...

Those are great. Crisp sharp edges. I hope it will take even close to as good of shots.

thank you. I'm sure it will. canon and nikon both make great cameras.

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Do you photographers think these are any good as in work well? The price looks right. What might be some disadvantages of not getting something like nikons flash slave thing and a compatable flash other than a $1000.00

Wireless Flash Triggers

that's a cool kite mfers

BingIt

Are 24 megapixels really better?



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^^^^ I like 12 megapixels just fine. If the 24's cost a lot more I'd be happy with the 12's.


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don't bring em to a ryan adams show

Nikon announcement on August 24th, 2011


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Nikon COOLPIX AW100

check out the videos on amazon. pretty cool underwater rugged camera



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My new lens. Now waiting on the D700 replacement to use with it.



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what other lenses do you have?

Mostly much older manual lenses like a 55 micro 2.8, a 100mm vivitar and a 43-86 nikkor 3.5. I also have an AF micro nikkor 55 2.8. The next lens I'll be wanting is probably a wide angle.


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Here's what I use:

Do you have an I'D on that polypore fungus there Stipe?

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Nah, I have no idea what it is, I just took a picture of it.

I will try and get you at least a Genus. Was in on Hemlock?

It looks like a very immature Ganoderma tsugae to me. Ganoderma tsugae is partial to conifers and often is found on Eastern Hemlock.






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It was taken in Washington state, so I don't believe it was an eastern hemlock. I'm not sure what tree it was.

Good. You have Western Hemlock and Mountain Hemlock and it is common on those as well. When they mature they are really cool looking and the Chinese are crazy about them.

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Sean, you take such amazing photos...

The tsugae species name comes from the tree they are associated with. I think if you look up hemlock, tsugae is a part of its nomenclature.

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thanks, juliet.

It CAME Today




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wow...curious to know how it stacks up.

Sean,

Here are the 4 firsts:

•Nikon 1 J1 is the world’s smallest mirrorless camera (as of August 5, 2011)

•Nikon 1 V1 is the world’s smallest and lightest mirrorless camera with an EVF (as of August 5, 2011)

•Nikon 1 has the world’s shortest shooting time lag (as of August 5, 2011)

•Nikon 1 has the World’s fastest continuous shooting at 10 fps (as of September 5, 2011)





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I'll cover $2,500 of this brand new camera body if you will give me the other $3,500.



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http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/05/nikon-d4-dslr-camera/

204,000 extended iso..wha

Low light and all kinds of remote control with iPhones and iPads and laptops. Great for those poorly lit rock clubs.

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Gave the camera store my first payment today on the soon to be released Nikon D800. Can't wait to start shooting.


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Sony today announced (via Macworld UK) the launch of new image sensor technology that the company expects will help improve performance and shrink the size of cameras on mobile devices by later this year. The new back-illuminated complementary metal–oxide–semiconductor (CMOS) image sensor utilizes a pixel section layered directly onto the sensor's circuitry, significantly reducing the sensor size from the previous design that utilized pixel and circuit sections side-by-side on a substrate layer.
This image sensor layers the pixel section containing formations of back-illuminated structure pixels onto chips containing the circuit section for signal processing, which is in place of supporting substrates for conventional back-illuminated CMOS image sensors. This structure achieves further enhancement in image quality, superior functionalities and a more compact size that will lead to enhanced camera evolution.
With sampling set to begin in March, the new stacked CMOS sensor includes built-in signal processing technology and utilizes the company's "RGBW Coding" that adds white-light sensors to the traditional red, green and blue, offering better low-light camera performance. Enhanced high dynamic range (HDR) technology will also improve the sensor's movie capabilities in bright-light situations.



Apple had utilized OmniVision Technologies as its image sensor supplier on its mobile devices, but Sony was able attract at least part of Apple's business with the new 8-megapixel sensor on the iPhone 4S. With its new image sensor technology, which is set to enter mass production in the fall and begin appearing in products late this year or early next year, Sony is clearly looking to remain at the forefront of the booming mobile device camera market.

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The "Lytro" light field camera is fucking cool as hell.

You will know of these.

They are like nothing you have seen to date.

I want one. I do wonder though if you can focus on multiple areas and being them all into focus.

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I can't wait to play with a Lytro camera. I am guessing the novelty will wear off fairly quick though. I think it's pretty amazing that your friends can change the focus of your pictures after they have been uploaded. It'll be interesting to see what kind of size these files are.

I also can't wait to upgrade my G12 to the Canon Powershot G1 X. I have a feeling this thing will be a beast.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canong1x/
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If you could focus all areas of the picture it would really great for research imaging of specimens. I'm left with doing focus stacking now and would love to have the simplicity of framing and capturing and then request focus all. Huge time savings.

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Nikon D800 to be announced in the US at midnight Feb 7th. The wait is over.

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so soon.

The rumor is one with an anti-aliasing and one without.

D800 and D800E


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At long last. Over a year of waiting.

I'm in Love


http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25480/D800.html


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It's about time Nikon caught up with Canon.

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dagger.

Nikon's new D800 SLR is a study in expectations and identity. Laid bare, the $3000 D800 is an impressive camera. But it's probably not the D800 that a lot of Nikon fans have been waiting for—what some feel they'd been virtually promised.


that's a lot of waiting for something that's not what you were virtually promised

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"703, you are without a fucking doubt, the biggest piece of shit loser on the internet" -dudeman

"You to mr703.......You are exactly the fuckd who have run many off this board. - gringo"

All shot with the new D800. You might want to put on the headphoes and go full screen

Joy Ride from Sandro on Vimeo.

All shot with the new D800. You might want to put on the headphoes and go full screen

Joy Ride - Behind the Scenes from Sandro on Vimeo.

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It's about time Nikon caught up with Canon.


For what.. maybe the next year? Canon has some pretty exciting things coming soon, too.

"For what.. maybe the next year? Canon has some pretty exciting things coming soon, too."

I'm sure they do. They have been kicking nikons ass for years now with things like the G series and 5D Mark II

no argument from me on that. i've seen my old friend/roommates 5D MarkII pics. I can't find Nikon pics that good. It's even challenging to find them close.



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41 MP Phone

http://europe.nokia.com/pureview

http://europe.nokia.com/pureview

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Flickr to up camera file-size limits
Exclusive: Response to 36MP Nikon D800


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"The "Lytro" light field camera is fucking cool as hell.

You will know of these.

They are like nothing you have seen to date.

I want one. I do wonder though if you can focus on multiple areas and being them all into focus. "



unfortunately I think they've let you down AWU



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"703, you are without a fucking doubt, the biggest piece of shit loser on the internet" -dudeman

"You to mr703.......You are exactly the fuckd who have run many off this board. - gringo"

^ That's too bad.

No, I'm still excited about the tech and current and potential uses. I've been asked to photograph at Bayer today. First thing this morning two people asked if I had heard of the light field camera. Your study link is interesting but it is also of a product that has barely seen any public use yet.

Will this be an iPad like fail that mr703 precicted?

Time will tell.

Lol


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the first ipad was a FAIL

just like the first Lytro


whether it sold or not

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"703, you are without a fucking doubt, the biggest piece of shit loser on the internet" -dudeman

"You to mr703.......You are exactly the fuckd who have run many off this board. - gringo"

I know someone who loves her ipad 1. Lol. Please show us your facts.

Ha


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i bet you know a lot of stupid people


just sayin

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"703, you are without a fucking doubt, the biggest piece of shit loser on the internet" -dudeman

"You to mr703.......You are exactly the fuckd who have run many off this board. - gringo"

Wow. Not only do you call me names, you don't leave people I know out either.

Do you even have a real life friend?


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Canon EOS 5D Mark III

http://photorumors.com/2012/03/01/this-is-the-canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhotoRumors+%28PhotoRumors.com%29


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Walt & mr703 don't much agree on the Lyro

This just in from Walt Mossberg

http://allthingsd.com/20120229/radical-camera-lets-you-pick-whats-blurry-and-whats-not/?mod=tweet


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walt seems to like the gimmick

which is what it is at this point


I'm eagerly awaiting a version that isn't

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"703, you are without a fucking doubt, the biggest piece of shit loser on the internet" -dudeman

"You to mr703.......You are exactly the fuckd who have run many off this board. - gringo"

And the most exiting new discovery for me from the above article:

"For instance, you’ll be able to snap into focus everything at once, regardless of depth"

Fucking fab. Especially for research subjects.


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If Sgt. Pepper's album artwork was shot with a Lytro it would have even been cooler.

Here's some Lytro pics from SXSW Camera Walk this week.

http://pictures.lytro.com/LytroSXSW/pictures/42481


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The Nikon D800/D800E's are bad ass cameras.

No doubt. Look at the awesome photos it takes:
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Interesting....
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/29/everything-you-need-to-know-about-samsungs-galaxy-camera/