who here has some claim to fame?

i've met a ton of famous people but that doesn't count and not what this thread is about.

my claim to fame is highly lame but here goes: i'm a 5th generation montanan and my great great great grandfather was part of the Bloody Bozeman trail which came through from wyoming into the bighorn county and parts of yellowstone park were mapped and hiked.
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"Everything dies baby that's a fact. Maybe everything that dies someday comes back. Put your make up on and fix your hair up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City."

dop. we're a legend.

no doubt.

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err, i think ryan is the most famous dot orger!


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i go on tour with bands?

that's not very good i know

but one day
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scientists, they,
couldn't fix me
i'm so tired
of getting out of bed

howie day locked me in a bathroom stall because i wouldn't have sex with him.

so then i ended up fucking him to get brandy out of the bathroom...
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Bottoms Up Chucky!!!!!
Your Friend,
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"If there's one thing that annoys me more than doogie it's doogie sympathizers and happyhead."

-Bea Arthur Whirlwind-

I was the only girl pulled up on stage who ate her fried chicken at a Southern Culture on the Skids show - they handed chicked to the five of us they got up on stage - everybody else threw theirs into the crowd - I ate mine - it was good



cause the dreams ain't broken down here now
...they're walking with a limp


"She's a good-ern, she's a breeder."

there's somebody brandy wouldn't have sex with...wtf??

yes.

gharland and howie day.

ROR!
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Bottoms Up Chucky!!!!!
Your Friend,
Keef Riffhard



"If there's one thing that annoys me more than doogie it's doogie sympathizers and happyhead."

-Bea Arthur Whirlwind-

I know keef and I never gave him a dirty look. I win.

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its not me.

its not me.

me either

hey maybe we should start a thread to discover the least famous dot orger

Lurkers

I had a ESPN Sports Center highlight once.

nga gave me a dirty look so i win...
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Bottoms Up Chucky!!!!!
Your Friend,
Keef Riffhard



"If there's one thing that annoys me more than doogie it's doogie sympathizers and happyhead."

-Bea Arthur Whirlwind-

oh and one time ryan talked to me at a concert when i yelled at him. hahaha.
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scientists, they,
couldn't fix me
i'm so tired
of getting out of bed

KEEF. I DIDN'T.

i saw kenny chesney at wal mart.

Shit.

I'm Troy Lee Motherfucken Wells!

obviously its me

i wrote/directed this...

also:

http://imdb.com/name/nm2240720/

i have the boringest imdb page. haha
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I was going to say...our little yeti.

I won my county spelling bee twice. I win.

i'm pretty sure the bear is the most famous of all.

what happened to the bear? where is his farewell thread?

I was on Tiny Talent Time and Uncle Bobby shows on tv when little and doing ballet.

hopefully, that's all but I don't know...

(pouts)

I was so close.

when I was in the single digits, I won a t.v. in the raffle after our local race. they interviewed me for channel t (the local station), then asked what my favorite station is. I said channel 5.


they didn't put me on. whatever...channel 5 had all my favorite cartoons and channel t had local news crap.

aww, that's so cute! they should have put that on! everyone would have aww'd!!


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"Haha Ox your "star rating" on IMDB went down 4% since last week. Get your shit together. "

i know - it's amazing ... somehow, i'm down to NEGATIVE 2!!!

shit!

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I married the famous JJ LaBeef. As a team, we take all the honours of famitude. You can all give up now.

*accepts award*
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'still I see monsters...'

Im related to Niles Kinnick he was a Lawyer, Heisman Trophy Winner, and he died a War Hero. I have the Time Magazine he was in. Iowa States stadium is named after him.

I would give anything to have his football card.

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One of my cousins played for that famous Christian band and was on Jay Leno once. He wasnt in the band long or anything.

I'm just happy to not be kin to Cecil Rhodes. That's good enough for me.
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Nile Kinnick
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Nile Kinnick
Date of birth July 9, 1918
Place of birth Adel, Iowa
Date of death June 2, 1943
Place of death Gulf of Paria, Venezuela
Position(s) Halfback
College Iowa
NFL Draft 1940 / Round 2/ Pick 14
Awards 1939 Heisman Trophy
Honors Kinnick Stadium
College Hall of Fame
Nile Clarke Kinnick, Jr. (born July 9, 1918 in Adel, Iowa; died June 2, 1943 in Gulf of Paria, Venezuela) was a college football player at the University of Iowa. He won the 1939 Heisman Trophy, Walter Camp Award, Maxwell Award and was a consensus All-American, and the University renamed their football stadium Kinnick Stadium in his honor. He was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1951. Kinnick died during a training flight while serving as Naval pilot during World War II.

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 College career
2.1 Undergraduate Years
2.2 The 1939 Season
2.3 Heisman Trophy Speech
3 Life After 1939
3.1 Future Plans
3.2 Naval Service
4 Death
4.1 The Minnesota Tryout
4.2 Kinnick's Michigan Confession
4.3 The 1939 Notre Dame Game
4.4 Death
5 Legacy
5.1 Honors
5.2 Renaming The Stadium
5.3 His Final Letter
6 References
7 External links



[edit] Background
Nile Kinnick, Jr. was the son of Nile Kinnick, Sr. and Francis Clarke. He had two younger brothers, Ben and George. Nile's maternal grandmother was a distant relative of Nathaniel Greene, a Revolutionary War general. His maternal grandfather, George Washington Clarke, graduated from the University of Iowa in 1878 and served two two-year terms as governor of Iowa from 1912 to 1916.

Nile's parents were devoted to the teaching of Christian Science and helped Nile develop values of discipline, hard work, and strong morals. Nile was constantly thinking about self-improvement and working on turning personal weaknesses into strengths. He was very intelligent and mature at a young age and spoke and wrote formally, yet he was never condescending and was humble, almost shy, about his abilities. [1]

Kinnick began showing athletic aptitude at a young age as well. As a youth, he played on a Junior Legion baseball team with future major leaguer Bob Feller. He was a star on successful football and basketball teams in junior high school.

As a sophomore at Adel High School, Kinnick led the football team to an undefeated season and then scored 485 points for the basketball team, leading them to the district finals. After his junior year of high school, the Kinnick family moved when Nile Sr. took a job in Omaha, Nebraska. Nile was a first team all-state selection in both football and basketball as a senior, as he starred for one year with his brother Ben at Benson High School in Omaha. He led Benson to a third place finish in the state basketball tournament and to the city baseball championship.


[edit] College career

[edit] Undergraduate Years
Kinnick had always been an excellent student as well as an athletic leader, and he could have graduated in 1935, but his parents held him back a year to become thoroughly prepared for the university. He considered Minnesota - how seriously is not clear - but he chose the University of Iowa. Iowa's football struggles might have attracted him. Verle Davis, Kinnick's football coach at Adel, recalled that "Kinnick was determined to go to some school that was down...He didn't want to go to Minnesota, because they were on top...He finally went to Iowa as he figured they were at their lowest ebb." The account is persuasive, because it was typical of Kinnick. To start from nothing and test himself against his own weakness as well as outside resistance were challenges Kinnick always pursued if they were available.[2]

He was recruited to Iowa by Coach Ossie Solem in 1936. Kinnick was named the co-captain of the freshman team and scored two touchdowns (one running and one passing) in a close loss in a scrimmage against the varsity team. He also played baseball and basketball his freshman year.

After the 1936 season, Solem left Iowa to go to Syracuse University, and Iowa hired Irl Tubbs to replace him. As a sophomore, Kinnick was terrific, but the Hawkeyes just could not win. Iowa battled Washington, the eventual Pacific Coast champions, to the wire in a 14-0 defeat and then scored an early victory over Bradley. It was Iowa's only win of the year. But opponents raved about Kinnick. After scoring Iowa's only touchdown in a 13-6 loss to Wisconsin, Solem wrote sports editor Sec Taylor from Syracuse, "I was sure that Kinnick was destined to be the greatest back in all Iowa history, and I am more convinced than ever that he will be."[3]

Iowa lost all five Big Ten games in 1937. The most heartbreaking loss was a 7-6 defeat at the hands of Michigan, despite Kinnick's 74 yard punt return for a touchdown. Sportswriter Bert McGrane wrote, "I can't recall a single break that favored Iowa...You'd think Iowa would win the toss by accident once in a while." Iowa had not won the coin toss in 13 games. Kinnick, the lone bright spot of the 1937 season, led the nation in punting and was named first team All-Big Ten and a third team All-American.

Kinnick played basketball, too, and he was Iowa's second leading scorer and the 15th leading scorer in the Big Ten his sophomore year in 1937-38. After a brief stint in baseball that summer, Nile dropped the third sport. In 1938, he hurt his ankle in preseason football practice and was not at full strength for his entire junior year. Kinnick played through the pain, but it hampered his effectiveness. His Christian Science beliefs limited the amount of medical assistance that Kinnick allowed himself to receive from the team doctors, believing that his pain could be overcome by faith.[4]

Kinnick was an honorable mention All-Big Ten selection his junior year in 1938. He also declared that he would not participate in basketball in the upcoming year, citing personal concerns over his school work. After a 1-6-1 season, Irl Tubbs was fired at Iowa, and the doctor, Eddie Anderson, was now the head coach.


[edit] The 1939 Season
See also: 1939 Iowa Hawkeyes football team
Before the 1939 season, Kinnick wrote, "For three years, nay for fifteen years, I have been preparing for this last year of football. I anticipate becoming the roughest, toughest all-around back yet to hit this conference." He also wrote, "I'm looking forward to showing Anderson what a real football player looks like - so hold your hats."[5]

Coach Anderson liked Kinnick immediately. He referred to all of his players by their last names, except Kinnick, who was always "Nile". Anderson favored student-athletes, because he felt that scholars made better players over the long run. He believed the 1939 team could be a good one, but only if the starters played significant minutes. Before the first game, the Des Moines Register had a small note stating that "a set of iron men may be developed to play football for Iowa."[6] The 1939 Hawkeyes, nicknamed the "Ironmen", would become one of the greatest teams in school history. Many of Anderson's players played complete games during that season for the Hawkeyes.

In 1939, Iowa finished the year ranked ninth in the AP Poll with a 6-1-1 record. Kinnick threw for 638 yards and 11 touchdowns on only 31 passes and ran for 374 yards. He was involved in 16 of the 19 touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) that Iowa scored and was involved in 107 of the 130 points that Iowa scored that year. He played 402 of a possible 420 minutes that season. All told, Kinnick set 14 school records, six of which still stand over 65 years later.

At the end of the season, Nile Kinnick won virtually every major award in the country. He was a consensus first team All-American, and he appeared on every first team ballot to become the only unanimous selection in the AP voting. He won the Big Ten MVP award by the largest margin in history. He also won the Walter Camp Award and the Maxwell Award. Nile Kinnick even won the Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year, beating out such notables as Joe DiMaggio, Byron Nelson, and Joe Louis. He was the first college football player to win that award. On November 28, 1939, Nile Kinnick won the Heisman Trophy, becoming the only Iowa Hawkeye to win college football's most prestigious award.


[edit] Heisman Trophy Speech
Kinnick's Heisman Trophy acceptance speech, made approximately one year before the United States entered World War II, is remembered as one of the most eloquent and moving ever given.

Bill Cunningham of the Boston Post wrote, "This country's okay as long as it produces Nile Kinnicks. The football part is incidental." AP reporter Whitney Martin wrote, "You realized the ovation (after his Heisman speech) wasn't alone for Nile Kinnick, the outstanding college football player of the year. It was also for Nile Kinnick, typifying everything admirable in American youth."[7] Another observer said that Kinnick's remarks "tackled Demosthenes and threw Cicero for a 15-yard loss."[8]


[edit] Life After 1939

[edit] Future Plans
Kinnick was elected student body president his senior year at Iowa. A member of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity at Iowa, Kinnick also maintained a 3.4 grade point average. As he neared graduation with a degree in economics, he was one of thirty students selected to the Phi Beta Kappa fraternity, and the university president informed him that he would graduate "with distinction", Iowa's equivalent to graduating cum laude. He gave the commencement speech for the University of Iowa's graduating class in 1940.

Kinnick was the leading vote-getter in the nation for the College All-Star Game, while his coach, Eddie Anderson, was voted in to coach the team against Iowa alum Joe Laws and the NFL champion Green Bay Packers. The Packers defeated the College All-Stars, 45-28, in an entertaining game. Kinnick scored two touchdowns and kicked four extra points. It was noted that the All-Stars scored four touchdowns while Kinnick was in the game; when he sat on the bench, they mustered just one first down.

Kinnick rejected several lucrative offers to play professional football. He was drafted by the Brooklyn Dodgers, and the team owner offered to pay him a $10,000 annual salary or on a game-by-game basis for $1,000 a game. Instead of going into professional football, he entered the University of Iowa law school. After one year of law school, Kinnick ranked third in his class academically.

He also had an interest in politics. Kinnick, himself the grandson of a governor, spoke before the Young Republicans and introduced 1940 presidential candidate Wendell Willkie at a campaign rally. Kinnick said, "When the members of any nation have come to regard their country as nothing more than the plot of ground on which they reside, and their government as a mere organization for providing police or contracting treaties; when they have ceased to entertain any warmer feelings for one another than those which interest or personal friendship or a mere general philanthropy may produce, the moral dissolution of that nation is at hand." The Marion Sentinel proposed in an article to endorse a presidential run for Kinnick in 1956, the first year in which he would be eligible.[9]

While Kinnick took a year of law school in 1940, he also served as an assistant football coach for the Hawkeyes, aiding the freshman team and scouting upcoming opponents. He accompanied the team to South Bend to see Iowa upset the Irish for the second straight season. According to The Daily Iowan’s account, "Nile Kinnick, cool, calm, and collected while he’s on a football team, pranced up and down the dressing room almost jabbering in his excitement."[10] He was also an assistant football coach at Iowa in 1941.


[edit] Naval Service
But Kinnick left law school after one year and enlisted in the Naval Air Reserve. He was called to active duty three days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. He wrote, "There is no reason in the world why we shouldn't fight for the preservation of a chance to live freely, no reason why we shouldn't suffer to uphold that which we want to endure. May God give me the courage to do my duty and not falter." Later, he added, "Every man whom I've admired in history has willingly and courageously served in his country's armed forces in times of danger. It is not only a duty but an honor to follow their example the best I know how. May God give me the courage and ability to so conduct myself in every situation that my country, my family, and my friends will be proud of me." [11]

Nile was able to return to Iowa one last time in 1942. He visited Adel and saw his father one final time. He then went to Iowa City and watched Iowa's football game against Washington University from the press box. When the Iowa crowd heard of Nile's presence, they began a loud "We want Kinnick!" chant until Kinnick leaned out of the press box with an appreciative wave.

Kinnick was training to be a fighter pilot. "The task which lies ahead is adventure as well as duty," Nile wrote in his final letter to his parents before deploying with the U.S.S. Lexington in late May 1943, "and I am anxious to get at it. I feel better in mind and body than I have for ten years and am quite certain I can meet the foe confident and unafraid. 'I have set the Lord always before me, because He is at my right hand. I shall not be moved.' Truly, we have shared to the full life, love, and laughter. Comforted in the knowledge that your thought and prayer go with us every minute, and sure that your faith and courage will never falter, no matter the outcome, I bid you au revoir."[12]


[edit] Death
On June 2, 1943, Kinnick was on a routine training flight from the aircraft carrier USS Lexington, which was off the coast of Venezuela in the Gulf of Paria. Kinnick had been flying for over an hour when his plane developed an oil leak so serious that he could neither reach land or the USS Lexington, whose flight deck was in any case crowded with planes preparing for launch. Kinnick followed standard military procedure and executed an emergency landing in the water, but died in the process. Rescue boats arrived on the scene a mere eight minutes later, but they found only an oil slick. His body was never recovered. Nile Kinnick was 24 years old.

Iowa sportscaster Tait Cummins said, "Kinnick proved one thing, that college athletics could be beautiful. Everything that can be said that is good about college athletics he was. He didn't represent it...he was it."[13]

Stories of Kinnick’s life and career have been told and retold, and while most of them are true, a few statements regarding Kinnick of dubious veracity are often cited as fact. A few of these statements are listed here.


[edit] The Minnesota Tryout
Nile Kinnick's college choice came down to Iowa and Minnesota. Minnesota was one of the dominant college football programs in the midwest at the time, while Iowa was a struggling program. Some sources state that Kinnick traveled to Minnesota for a tryout with the Gophers, but that the Gophers rejected him. [14] Some even suggest that Minnesota's legendary coach, Bernie Bierman, stated himself that Kinnick was "too small and too slow" to play for Minnesota.

Whether or not this tryout actually took place is unclear. Even as a high school student, Kinnick wrote many letters and kept meticulous journal entries, yet this alleged tryout with Minnesota is never referenced. Nor does Kinnick ever mention the tryout during any of his journal entries or letters when he discusses one of his many games with Iowa against Minnesota. Also, by early 1937, Bierman called Kinnick "one of the finest young backs I have ever seen." [15] That would represent a significant change of opinion on Bierman's part in a very short period of time. One author wrote, "When it was time for college, there was no doubt that Nile would go to Iowa." [16]

The universities of Iowa and Minnesota have been rivals for a long time, and it is possible that the story of Kinnick's interest in Minnesota was embellished at some point, by fans of either school. We do know that Kinnick considered enrolling at Minnesota, but how seriously and whether he actually attended a football tryout is uncertain.


[edit] Kinnick's Michigan Confession
Another enduring story involves a game between Iowa and Michigan in the late 1930s for the Big Ten title and/or a Rose Bowl berth. Iowa trailed by a few points and threatened to score the winning touchdown on the final play of the game. On the final play, Kinnick was stopped right at the goal line. The officials conferred to discuss if Kinnick had scored, and Kinnick approached the officials to inform them that he had been, in fact, stopped short of the goal, and Michigan goes on to win the game. One version of the story is referenced here. [17]

Much, if not all, of this story is false. First of all, Kinnick's Iowa teams only met Michigan twice, in 1937 and 1939, and at that time, the Big Ten did not send their champion to the Rose Bowl. The Big Ten title was not at stake during the 1937 game for either team, and Michigan did not win the Big Ten title in 1939, even with the victory over Iowa. In retrospect, Iowa could have won the 1939 Big Ten title with a win over Michigan, but Iowa lost the game 27-7, too large a margin for any last minute Kinnick heroics.

Iowa did lose the 1937 game at Michigan by a 7-6 score, but no written account of the game includes this controversial score. The story is, therefore, most likely false. Those who know Kinnick's personality and his statements about fair play know that this sounds very much like something Kinnick would do, which is why the myth persists. But it probably did not happen, and it certainly did not happen in the manner in which it is often told.


[edit] The 1939 Notre Dame Game
Iowa defeated Notre Dame in 1939, 7-6, in a game that many consider to be Kinnick's signature performance. Iowa's only touchdown was scored when Nile Kinnick switched to right halfback for the first time all season from his usual left halfback spot, and the Notre Dame defense was caught unprepared by the switch. Bill Reichardt, a terrific Iowa fullback who would later be named the Big Ten MVP in 1941, claimed that Al Couppee, Iowa's quarterback, was not in the game on that touchdown play.

Reichardt describes the touchdown this way. "Nile Kinnick is so fast even the negros couldnt catch him". Then they turned to Kinnick and said, 'Can you take it, Nile?' Kinnick responded, 'I think I've got a couple of broken ribs on my right side, so let's run the play to the left side.'" [18] This story regarding Kinnick's statement about broken ribs and with Kinnick, not Couppee, coming up with the idea for the switch to right halfback is particularly enduring.

It is unlikely that Reichardt’s story is true. His story is refuted by almost everyone on the 1939 Iowa team. Couppee states in his autobiography that he was indeed in the game for Kinnick's touchdown. Couppee called a rare huddle, in which Couppee called the play shifting Kinnick to the right halfback position. Teammates Erwin Prasse and George "Red" Frye substantiate Couppee’s version. [19]


[edit] Death
The final questionable statement about Kinnick involves his death. In a letter to Kinnick's parents, his lieutenant commander, Paul Buie, wrote, "Having lost all oil the engine, without lubrication, failed, forcing Nile to land in the water." [20] Kinnick's squadron mate, Bill Reiter, also confirmed that the oil leak was so bad that Kinnick was forced to land four miles before he could reach the Lexington. This varies slightly from the often-repeated legend that Kinnick could have made it back to the ship but instead chose to land in the water to spare the ship's crew from danger. While Kinnick gave his life for his country, the decision to land his plane in the water was standard military procedure, and a landing on the Lexington, given his situation, was an impossibility, not a deliberately bypassed option.

The other question surrounding his death involves how exactly Kinnick died. Reiter was the only person who claimed to have seen Kinnick clear of the plane and motionless in the water. Reiter died three months later in battle at Wake Island, which would have been Kinnick's first military mission had he lived. [21]

Since Kinnick's body was never found, it is possible that Kinnick was still tethered to the plane. Dick Tosaw, whose brother played high school football with Kinnick, has repeatedly pursued the idea of finding and salvaging Kinnick's plane. But the possibility, however remote, that Kinnick's body is still with the plane led to overwhelming opposition to Tosaw's efforts. Nile Kinnick Sr. opposed the idea, saying that it would be like digging up his son's grave. [22] Kinnick's teammates were also unanimously opposed to the idea. [23] Such strong opposition from Kinnick's teammates, relatives, and fans scuttled Tosaw's plans.


[edit] Legacy

[edit] Honors
The honors that have been heaped upon Nile Kinnick after his death are almost innumerable. A high school in Yokosuka, Japan, for dependents of military personnel is named Nile C. Kinnick High School. [24] The coin flipped at the start of every Big Ten football game bears his image, and each captain of a Big Ten team receives one such coin at the end of the year. Shortly after his death, a memorial fund was established at the University of Iowa in his honor. The Nile Kinnick Memorial Scholarship Fund is awarded annually to outstanding student-athletes at Iowa.

His number #24 has been retired, one of only two Iowa football numbers so recognized (Cal Jones' #62 is the other). He was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in the Hall's inaugural year in 1951, one of only two Hawkeye players so honored (Duke Slater was the other).

In 1989, Iowa fans selected an all-time University of Iowa football team during the 100th anniversary celebration of Iowa football. Nile Kinnick was not only selected to the team as a halfback, he was voted the team's MVP, or the most valuable player in the first century of Iowa football. Kinnick was one of just five football players inducted into the Iowa Sports Hall of Fame in the Hall's inaugural year in 1951, joining Duke Slater, Aubrey Devine, Jay Berwanger, and Elmer Layden. In 1999, Sports Illustrated selected Nile Kinnick as the third greatest sports figure in the history of the state of Iowa, behind only Dan Gable and Kinnick's youth baseball teammate, Bob Feller. [25]

College Football News ranked Kinnick as the ninth greatest college football player of all-time. [26] An Iowa City theater produced a play based on Kinnick's life. [27] Four books have been written about Nile Kinnick and the 1939 Hawkeyes.


[edit] Renaming The Stadium
After Nile Kinnick died in 1943, there was considerable sentiment to rename Iowa Stadium in his honor. However, his father was not comfortable with the idea, stating that Nile was just one of 407,000 Americans who lost their lives in military service during World War II. Ben Kinnick, Nile's brother, also lost his life in World War II, and Nile Kinnick, Sr. did not think it would be appropriate to single his son out for such an honor. The school reluctantly honored Mr. Kinnick's wishes.

In the early 1970s, Gus Schrader, the sports editor of the Cedar Rapids Gazette, resurrected the idea. He used his popular column in the paper to rally support for the cause. The movement began to gain support, most importantly when Mr. Kinnick softened his position and indicated he would not stand in the way of putting his son’s name on the stadium.

In the spring of 1972, the Iowa Athletic Board voted to rename the stadium in honor of the school’s only Heisman Trophy winner. The Hawkeyes’ first home game that year was with Oregon State, and a pre-game ceremony on September 23 made it official: Iowa Stadium became known as Kinnick Stadium. Nile’s father took part in the ceremony and seemed genuinely pleased. [28]

Nile Kinnick's father, Nile Sr., was very close to his son. They had frequent written correspondence and Nile Sr. was a major influence in young Kinnick's life. Yet Mr. Kinnick was very humble, and he was very careful to never do anything that might be seen as taking attention away from his son. He was always quick to mention Nile's teammates on that 1939 Ironmen team whenever anyone praised his son's football achievements. Mr. Kinnick, who outlived two of his sons by nearly fifty years, lived long enough to see his son given Iowa football's highest honor.

Kinnick Stadium is the only college football stadium named for a former Heisman Trophy winner. In 2006, Iowa finished renovations on Kinnick Stadium. As part of those renovations, the school dedicated a 14 foot bronze statue of Kinnick in front of the stadium on September 1, the day before the opening game. Included in the ceremonies was a speech by head coach Kirk Ferentz, as well as a fly-over of a replication of the plane Kinnick flew in World War II. Iowa also placed a 9 foot by 16 foot bronze relief on the wall of the stadium, depicting Kinnick's 1939 game-winning touchdown run against Notre Dame. Note, the relief will be installed and dedicated prior to the 2007 season.[29]


[edit] His Final Letter
After news of Kinnick's death was made public on July 3, 1943, a female friend of Nile's received a letter that the postman had previously overlooked. It was the last letter ever received from Nile Kinnick. Nile was responding to a letter she had sent him, detailing a trip she took to Iowa City.

In his final letter, Kinnick wrote, "I am so glad you could speak enthusiastically of your visit to Iowa City. That little town means so much to me...It is almost like home. I love the people, the campus, the trees, everything about it. And it is beautiful in the spring...And I hope you strolled off across the golf course just at twilight and felt the peace and quiet of an Iowa evening, just as I used to do." [30]

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for serious. tim can't even read the inital post in a thread, but he expects us to read all that?

He was on that ESPN special top 50 athletes of all time

isn't that tim's new sig??


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Like Tim even read it himself. He probably has no idea how long that post is.
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'still I see monsters...'

actually, i expected tim to have found a youtube adaptation of that story


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did you use google? omgz!

Clearly he's just a fan of Cecil Rhodes and didn't want anyone to pay attention to me denouncing him.
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i... i feel honored and aroused.

also: tim - that's fuckin' cool, man! did they even have REAL football cards back then, though?


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Ha DC Talk thats who my cousin played with on Leno he also played with Waylon Jennings old band no Waylon just some of the guys from his old band

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http://imdb.com/name/nm2240720/board/thread/69690509

.... thanks nga.

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I'm so famous, I'm having my own tour. Ha!

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if you're related to john quincy adams, are you related to quincy?


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ox did you see the thread were somebody said you were plagiarizing

My father is the inventor of Toaster Strudel.

I invented Post-It Notes.

I invented the Post-It Note Jacket.

if relatives count, martha stewart's my 2nd cousin.

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My Dad's family were some of the first settlers in the Penola, Sth Australia. Their 'house' (which is like 5 planks of wood) is a tourist attraction.

I also had an SA Great ad made about me when I was a kid. OMG! I wonder if its on youtube! I am going to look. I was about 5 and was dressed up like a chicken!

From Shelleybean :)
Damn the man! Fuck the fuckers!

"ox did you see the thread were somebody said you were plagiarizing"

yeah - i said "i plead the 5th" - then they accused me of plagiarizing OJ!!!!

sheesh
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victoria williams sang on my album.

I met Jeremy Irons.
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I sat next to Tom Selleck on the plane to Hawaii when I was in 8th grade.

I met three of the seven dwarfs.

i killed lincoln.

too soon?

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it's me.

duh.

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"damn,and all this time, I thought Pushy WAS Jeremy Irons...."

We share an alcohol issue, and we've met - that's all.
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I am, however, just as handsome.
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Yes, officially; unofficially, I'm a 75 year old paedophile with emotional issues and a bladder problem.
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Do I even have to say anything?

Dude, seriously, what's up.

i was arrested for self-gratifying myself in a movie theater to a pee-wee herman movie. i'm famous in certain circles of irony.

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duke- if you are related to John quincy adams...you might be related to ME...

YOU WERE THE GOBBLEDOCK?!!?!
Ohh man, I love you so much!

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still most unfamous.

I don't think I have anyone famous in my family.

I've been in the paper before...gr. 9 or 10. I won second prize in a poster graphic contest. my sis has been in the paper many times in San Diego for her (wonderful) art, paintings and mostly murals in that city. she has schmoozed with the mayor and such for her artistic pursuits.

I think my nephew is a kindof prominent student at Yale and I guess one of the smartest either Canadians or at least Albertans I think it's in math. I doubt he's famous for that tho. But he won some big national academic contest and hob knobs with some intellectual big wigs.

that be all. (we're mostly a pretty low key family. be kidding.)

oh ya, wheni was in 6th grade i won an award from d.a.r.e. for the paper i wrote about why i wouldnt drink or do drugs and then i had to read it in front of the school adn it was on the public access channel. i forgot about that, and as you can all guess, that award should be taken away from me.

Oh my god! How could I forget! I was also Miss Tantanoola Showgirl a few years running! I wonder where my sashes are?

From Shelleybean :)
Damn the man! Fuck the fuckers!

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oh really? in gr. 7 I think, me and another student got picked from our class for a public speaking contest. I had to stand up regionally in front of hundreds of people and give my speech about Astronomy. egad! It started with the poem Twinkle, Twinkle and I just was so nervous and shy that I could only whisper. I kept thinking to myself "come on! you've gotta speak up!" but I just couldn't. It was so embarassing! My classmate won for the whole damn region and was so revered and all that after that. I was very jealous! It all started then. (no, but I was quite competitive for much of school. but won many awards too.) (damn bitch! j/k)

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whoa, are they like grocrey store stalkers? "Pose for us or else!" adn stuff?

I was in a Motion Soundtrack video once...that's a local band I used to like alot. just in my braids jumping around alot and singing.

oheeeoh! oheeeoh! oheeoh!

(we were told not to air guitar tho. not that I was...but the guy beside me was.)

Yep - the Easter show. I am pretty sure that I have won all age groups at some point in my life!

From Shelleybean :)
Damn the man! Fuck the fuckers!

shelley's famous for her mad cans!!!

ZINNNNGG!

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"If life's not beautiful without the pain,
well I'd just rather never ever even see beauty again. ..." - Isaac Brock

I was a Hare Krishna devotee once! oh, I guess that doesn't count. in Berkley tho. I made the most, most money (for the cult) tho I was in the bathroom balking most of the time. We were dressed in nice lil suits sortof like stewardesses, with nice little scarves around our neck and all conservative looking...at the airport. then we had big bags full of Krishna magazines and little suckers to pin on people's coats and clothes, etc. Then we'd say "Hi! Here's a candy to brighten (sweeten?) up your day. I'm a missionary! Would you like to donate to our cause...?" (or magazine?) I don't know or remember. I hated it so much and was soooooo embarassed but somehow I made tons more $ than anyone else. Like $80 a day when the others only made $20 or $30 I think. the leader of our cult group (he was later excommunicated I heard, for being a bad, corrupt or naughty group leader...don't know details) but anyways, he was considering trying to get me to lead workshops in how to make more $ canvassing.

instead I snuck out of the cult one afternoon when the others were all away. shit! it was scary. mind control and all that.

sorry, that doesn't count at all! why am I telling you that?!

ha ha. that's funny, cannonball!

stumbling is most likely one of the most interesting people in the world.

stumbling - have you read jerry stahl's book "perv, a love story" ?

i think you'd dig his take on SF back in the late 60's/early 70's.

and pittsburgh area before that.

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wow - great story stumbling... where have all those stories been????

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oh, I would love that oxie!! I will check it out.

there's more. I was almost gonna tell ya more...but then I stopped myself. Like the time at a tantra workshop (it was weird, what can I say! no actual doing tho in the workshop. if I remember correctly it was mostly talking and psychological exercises. ad nauseum prob all weekend) But one of the workshop leaders said "I've rarely (or maybe never?) seen anyone so vulnerable in their sexuality." I was surprised! I wasn't quite sure how she got that.

I have many stories...believe me and you know it!

"he wrote the book (I assume with the same title) permanent midnight as well, didn't he ox? "

yeah - permanent midnight is a memoirs / autobiography of that portion of his life... which makes it all the more horrifying.

on the other hand - "perv - a love story" is a fictionalized account of his adolescence -

both are amazing... he's a fuckin' spectacular writer - plainclothes naked is a fuckin' hilarious novel too - and I, FATTY is so intriguing.

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stumbling - we definitely need MORE stories like that last one... proceed...

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"If life's not beautiful without the pain,
well I'd just rather never ever even see beauty again. ..." - Isaac Brock

what does it mean to be vulnerable in your sexuality?

I have no idea! she never explained it. I was very, very shy in those days. so I didn't ask. I've remembered it tho...sometimes. what the hell it means I don't know. or if it's true, why, etc.

We are SO off topic tho! My fault partly.

Let's get back on topic.

stumbling i think we should work on that - you're sexual vulnerbility... you and i.

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is it that you'll easily do what your partner will tell you to do in bed or something?

c-ball now knows what i've been preaching on all along - she's one of the most intriguing beings on this board.

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no it's that afterwards I'm all vulnerable. I don't know why. it's very awkward. maybe it's more like childlike or something.

oh, maybe i need to be more vulnerable, we can do a powershare! I can give you some of my non vulnerableness and you can give me some of yours!

stumbling, after its over i'll tell you i love you if it'll make you feel better.

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now you sound like one of my old friends who used to tease me that way.

or i could tell you to leave so i can sleep - it's up to you. either way the sex will be hot... and vulnerable.

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im going to be on MTV in early may...



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i love smoosh

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i broke my arm real bad...
mtv scarred.... filmed it last month...


i love smoosh

My brother is a football manager

'I scratched your name in my arm with my keys'

-my parents have close friends who one, were the inventor/owner of Reynolds Wrap. And the guy(and his wife) who invented the bar code.

-I was elected by an audience to participate as a contestant in the Miss Wangerooge pagent back in 92. They apparently didn't have enough girls to put on a good competition or something, even though it was pretty much already decided who would win before hand... so the people around me made me go up. Even though i am canadian and couldn't speak German very well I finally gave in and just went up. It was pretty funny to see the looks on their faces in the dressing room when they realised I wasn't even german. So when it was time to go up and give my speech, I did it in very broken German. I got 3rd place a hand shake and a gift bag. lol

-I once was practicing to be the replacement singer for a country cover band in Germany, and the guy who's band it was, played with Johnny Cash many times.

-I ran into Chris Martin at a film festival i was working at and didn't even know it was him.

-I won first place and 10 bucks in a contest for my valentines day art project in grade 5. They hung it up inside the local mall. lol

-I dated a guy who's uncle taught Howie Mandell in grade school.

-I hung out with Brian Gennessee for a bit in highschool. Later on he got a part on the soap- The Bold and the Beautiful.

-I worked on set with Michael Madsen/Steve Martin/ Eddie Cibrian and Taye Diggs

-my ex brother in law is the assistant coach of that team that has the blue football field in Iowa/Idaho?? I don't remember. I think it's the Broncos?

so to recap. I'm just a nobody girl. :)

We're super good friends with Boeing Airlines' Lawyer
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"Everything dies baby that's a fact. Maybe everything that dies someday comes back. Put your make up on and fix your hair up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City."

I did the 'tighten up' onstage with archie bell and the drells when I was 10 years old.

i was a bird in my 4th grade play. i had an awful smelling plastic beak and everything.

my most famous moment was in '98 when I won a trip to London playing music trivia on NTN (those on-line trivia games they have in bars in North America). The NTN people asked me to have my picture taken wearing an NTN shirt at some London landmarks. I gave them some pretty good shots and for the next few months I was on the screen every 15 minutes or so. This was in Canada only.

I was on some stupid TV show a few years ago - some asshole was handing out citations on the street for what they considered fashion crimes. They got me, but I shot back saying 'who are you to talk? You're wearing all black.' I don't know what the show was and I never saw myself but some people I know saw it and said it was hilarious.

Phil Seymour Hoffman mentioned my cousin in his acceptance speech when he won for Capote. My cuz is one of the producers of the movie.

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My most famous moment was in middle school when I was the district spelling bee champ every year. I would win regionals too and go on to the U.P. finals...but I just couldn't make it to Washington D.C. *sigh*

Thanks for making me realize how sad my life is.

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"Some cultures are defined by their relationship to cheese."

Oh, and Bono smiled at me during a concert.

Okay, he could have been smiling at one of the people directly next to me, but just be quiet and let me believe.

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"Some cultures are defined by their relationship to cheese."

we'll all agree that he was smiling at you.

I slept with a girl who slept with this dude whose ex-girlfriend was tawny kitaen.

this was :( my uncle who just passed recently:

Walter A. Abplanalp
Birth: unknown, USA
Death: Oct. 20, 2006
Wilmington
New Castle County
Delaware, USA

Age 79

Son of Kathryn and Walter Abplanalp.

Husband of Jean M. Abplanalp.

Father of Karen Stevens, Kim Abplanalp, Blake Abplanalp.

Walt played with the Brooklyn Dodgers baseball Org. upon graduating from Claymont High School, where he played 3 sports and was selected to various All State teams.

His baseball career as a pitcher was interrupted when he volunteered for the U.S. Maritime Service in 1945 during World War II.

He served on 2 army hospital ships, the "Chateau Thierry" and the "Thistle", ferrying wounded soldiers from the European and South Pacific theaters to the United States for treatment.

He returned to the Dodgers Organization for several years and later worked at the Sun Oil Company until his retirement.

A gifted competitive athlete, Walt was inducted into the Claymont Sports Hall of Fame and bowled with the Philadelphia Major Leagues.

Following his professional career, he played baseball for Holly Oak in the Delaware Semi-Pro League, Worth Steel and the Sun Oil Company.

Walt was also an avid, low handicap golfer, a loyal University of Delaware football fan for over 30 years, and a member of the Board of Directors of the Claymont Fire Company.

His other interests included gardening and fishing. Walt enjoyed the love and support not only of his family, but a vast myriad of friends, some from childhood.


Burial:
Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery
Bear
New Castle County
Delaware, USA

Record added: Oct 23 2006
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"the music speaks to me and speaks for me.it takes me where i need to be." Strawberry Dream

oh, also...I made that up.

right....

what? that you slept with a girl?

I used to date the brother of ESPN online guy Royce Webb - forgot about that one


cause the dreams ain't broken down here now
...they're walking with a limp


"She's a good-ern, she's a breeder."

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I did date a girl who was on baywatch though. I should win for being one degree from david hasselhoff...

ha, ya but is that something to be proud of?

i used to sleep with a guy who was best friends with this really popular local band around here. i got to meet/hang out with the band that way. alright that jsut sounded really pathetic

hell yeah!! hasselhoff's not only the mac daddy...he's pretty much the daddy mac!!

maybe you could become weirdly famous in germany also.

"alright that jsut sounded really pathetic"

yeah.

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I'm already weirdly famous in germany. for totally different reasons though. involving a blowtorch, a can of mace, and the hawaiian tropic volleyball team.

ha, that is awesome sean. thanks ox, i feel really loved, keep inmind that was my younger pathetic days. i used to play poker with some of those guys in that band also. but thenit woudl always somehow try to turn into strip poker... never fun especially since i was the only girl allowed around. (it was usually guy nights that poker came out at)

Brian Wilson once asked to have his photo taken with me.

I love Brian, but to be fair he probably mistook me for, like, Neil Armstrong or something.
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I am a singer/songwriter and stuff.
If you'd like to listen, click here:
www.myspace.com/jinder
www.jinder.co.uk
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I felt sure the last post was going to simply say Jinder. Although it sort of did.

oh racey, i'm just playin'

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i know, your not serious. i don't think my jokes come out good on here.

Probably Carrots. Everyone has had carrots at least once.


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"the music speaks to me and speaks for me.it takes me where i need to be." Strawberry Dream

"i was a bird in my 4th grade play."

that's funny. giggles. ya, I was a chicken in this play at Emerson College as an adult. I made the BEST chicken costume! I was so proud of it! Have a picture of it somewhere. Also was Mary in Christian play but that wasn't much fun.

I don't know. Course this has nothing to do with anything but...

my close platonic friend that once was a boyfriend for a short while, anyways, for a while he was roomates with Rave, Dave Ogilvy the music producer. He ended up being producer for NIN.

a few stories got passed down over the years...bout the rock n roll world.

he was also pals with Skinny Puppy and heard many stories about them but most neg! I met one of them at a Netwerk Christmas party, just before he sadly o.d.ed and died. He seemed like super nice guy. He had just cleaned up drug wise. Went off on a trip to visit family and someone offered him 'stuff' and then that was the end.

"I was a chicken in this play at Emerson College as an adult. "

i went to emerson college as a student. :)

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i got to play superman in a play once when i was 5 or 6. i was already dressed for the part of clark kent (i was little nerd) and they cast me as superman too. :)
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"Everything dies baby that's a fact. Maybe everything that dies someday comes back. Put your make up on and fix your hair up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City."

hold on. not the one in England? are we talking about the same one, Oxie? Emerson College.

I took a ballet class with Violet Verdi in TO once as a kid. I guess she was a famous ballerina...but that doesn't really count either.

Stumbling, did you go to Emerson? Oxie went to the one in Boston... There are a ton of people out here in LA in the entertainment biz that went there... I know you're not online now, but what the hell, thought I'd try.

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Not many people know this, but I was Mr. Belvedere's fluffer.

I once tossed the grandson of a President of the United States out of the law library.
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I think this might be a dif Emerson. it was a college for people into Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy. they taught/teach all kinds of things...biodynamic gardening, sculpture, eurythmy, etc....but I went there to study Waldorf education and teaching for school children.

I once hung out with Alan Keyes for 45 minutes....we were just speaking about education and a big gust of wind came along and blew his hat off and he and i chased it down. he was unusually annoyed and pissed
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"Everything dies baby that's a fact. Maybe everything that dies someday comes back. Put your make up on and fix your hair up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City."

My former boss' High School Prom date was Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez...aka Martin Sheen.
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when i worked at the vet our clients were the helzbergs. the diamond people. i don't know if there jewlery stores and stuff are known outside the midwest.

I ate at a McDonald's with Keith Reinhard, the guy who came up with the Big Mac song and other jingles.

Helzberg diamond, Helzberg value.

Don't judge me.

"My former boss' High School Prom date was Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez...aka Martin Sheen"

Ossumness.

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I went on holiday with the bassist of Hot Chocolate. Beat that!

Note: It was NOT just the two of us.
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You would have won if it had been. Def.

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Yes, but he's a big man so I might not have been alive to celebrate.
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...and he drank the breast milk by mistake, and, naturally, hilarity ensued.

Oh, you sexy thing.

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That's me.
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I'm a Kardashian