on this day let's not forget all of the people who died in the horrible events that transpired seven years ago

let's also not forget what an incredible tool that our current president and his administration have been since that day as well

carry on

the bear

Damn right. I will never forget where I was.
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Don't you know every night is a stand-off with the fucking horizon...

in the neonatal intensive care unit?

the bear

I was in my freshman year (of high school), in my journalism class.
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Don't you know every night is a stand-off with the fucking horizon...

I remember feeling really angry, then I remember hearing Makeshift Patriot a month later and thinking that Sage Francis is a real pessimist. Now everything he's said in that song has come to be. He called it early.

but seriously folks, i think it should be required for all americans to watch the film united 93 on september 11. nothing i've ever seen on the subject, and there have been some very good things produced, comes as close to capturing that day. a very powerful work.

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"what kind of question is that?"

7 years already, It still feels as raw as the day it happend.

United 93 is a very emotional film, well worth a watch today




"That's For John Lennon you Yankee Fucking Cunt"

The documentary by the Naudet brothers is, to me, still the most powerful. I think it should be shown on every Sept 11th.

I can't believe that it has been seven years.
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"no one cares whether you shit hay or fart sunshine."
-Stoole in a Teacup

When I went to ground zero back in Feb I just couldn't connect what I saw on TV to actually being in the place that it happened.

I took a walking tour with some of the people who were in the buildings, or who lost family and listened to their stories.

Really interesting, but sad.

Who would of thought after 7 yrs the score would be Osama 1 -America Nil

Damn that Sadaam Hussein for attacking us.

sarah palin

What do people around here make of the "Inside Job" theory?

its utter rubbish personally bogios in my opinion


"the english org holy trinity of mick, scum , and trees" - Badgerwolf

"ye big weekend planned, im gona buy everything the verves ever done, put it all on repeat and see how long it takes me to kill myself!" - scummy man

It's a strange thing, when you watch the shows that claim it was an inside job they do a good job of convincing you that something was a miss.

But I guess when someone makes something like that they include all the "evidence" to support their theory and don't so things that could put it in doubt or dis-prove it.

I found it odd that both towers collapsed all together and came down pretty much straight.

I was doing some last-minute studying for a bio-psychology exam, junior year at Purdue. A friend came into my room and just said, "Do you know?" I said I didn't and he just looked down and said, "Turn on your tv," and left.

I thought it was pretty tasteless that the professor didn't reschedule the exam, but anyhoo... there were quite a few strange days after that.

channel 4 did an excellent documentry in 2003 explaining how the towers collapsed. very conclusive.


"the english org holy trinity of mick, scum , and trees" - Badgerwolf

"ye big weekend planned, im gona buy everything the verves ever done, put it all on repeat and see how long it takes me to kill myself!" - scummy man

I was in a van outside Westminster Abbey. People were in a right palaver.
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my friend's dad & bro died. i live in nyc and after the second tower fell went down there to see what i could do (keeping in mind I'm a writer and not someone heroic, or anything) and ran into tony soprano, who was riding his bike down, too, for the same reason.

i've never been prouder to be a NYer and knew I would never leave the city.

i was at work in tonbridge, my brother rand me and said "paddy (a friend) has rung me to tell me some one has flown a plane into the world trade centre....i think he is taking the piss" so i turn on the tele in the staff room and and confirmed to him paddy wasnt lying. i remember watching one of the towers collapse, i just couldnt fathom what i was watching. Even to this day that feeling is undescribable.


"the english org holy trinity of mick, scum , and trees" - Badgerwolf

"ye big weekend planned, im gona buy everything the verves ever done, put it all on repeat and see how long it takes me to kill myself!" - scummy man

"Even to this day that feeling is undescribable."

What was it like?
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I was organizing my tennis group on the phone and my friend that I was on the phone with called me back to tell me to turn on the tv--I watched and then called my husband who was driving over the Tapanzee to make sure he was okay. Later that day one friend's husband came by and told us about watching people jump off the towers..then we gathered at another friends to watch Bush speak that night on tv...

OMG MOGON what the living name of c*nt is that... propaganda? Please tell me it's not REAL!

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"It's lonely being all ones and zero's..." -Ovenboy

"I am a scientist, but I don't get what you mean." -Emily

Maria would have had her 48th Birthday this past August 15th. Miss you, Maria.



Maria Asuncion Behr
"oh, and my parents met at an elvis concert."

-wolfscream

I'm so sorry for your loss, HH.


It's been said that remembrance and appreciation are the best medicines for grief.

there is a guy in my office that was high up in one of the towers. kind of crazy. he is head of a national survivors organization. out doing some speeches today.
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"OMG MOGON what the living name of c*nt is that... propaganda? Please tell me it's not REAL!"

My sentiments exactly.
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"OMG MOGON what the living name of c*nt is that... propaganda? Please tell me it's not REAL!"

Welcome to Modern American Country Music. Tom Petty said something like "modern country music is basically just a bunch of shitty rock bands with fiddles."

Author: TGI Jef

there is a guy in my office that was high up in one of the towers. kind of crazy. he is head of a national survivors organization. out doing some speeches today.

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is his name anthony, by chance?

I was at college, in my Excel class. Someone poked their head into our room and told us what was going on. We were in disbelief...no way. We had no TV in the room, and everybody was trying to get to web sites like CNN, but they were overloaded and down. I was able to access a U2 message board where people were posting updates, so I kept my class updated through those postings. I was also emailing back and forth with my dad.

I can't believe it's been 7 years. Watching the memorial coverage on the news this morning was so sad, I couldn't stop from crying. This had an impact on everybody, but some people were obviously a affected a lot more than others. I can't imagine the loss that so many people became faced with and the fear that those who experienced everything firsthand must have felt.

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Here I am, rock you like a hurricane

"I found it odd that both towers collapsed all together and came down pretty much straight."

Oh c'mon, it's simple physics.
Gravity pretty much pulls things straight down and for them to topple on their sides a wedge would have to be cut out of them closer to the bottom (like cutting down a tree).

Is that really the best you got?
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"Has Stumbles logged off yet?" - roy100
Countdown To The End Of Election Year Bullshit

If you haven't read The Looming Tower, I highly recommend it. No big conspiracy theories - just the history of how things came to that point. Also details some of the incredible bureaucratic bumbling and inter-agency feuding that bogged down the surveillance of the bombers.

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"I just wasted 5 minutes reading this thread and writing this response, and when you look at the big picture, this has nothing to do with my life or anything that is important to me."

jonathin, January 2008

sean - his name is Joe
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oh...different guy, obviously.

ha likely

good article, though, sean. i hadnt read it until now.
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Http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26649407#26649407

http://harmonizewithsongs.blogspot.com/

agreed!

The Bear's original post.

A sad, sad day in American history.

I truly feel for those who lost their lives not only on 9/11 but for everyone who has suffered as a direct result, ie. American soldiers, innocent Iraqis and Afghans...

Thank you, bear.

"What do people around here make of the "Inside Job" theory?"

I call B.S.

Do you think this would be the one thing that the Bush administration was competent enough to pull off?

I agree, dudeman!!!

For once I agree with Willie. Cheney couldn't even go hunting without shooting one of his buddies in the ass.

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"I just wasted 5 minutes reading this thread and writing this response, and when you look at the big picture, this has nothing to do with my life or anything that is important to me."

jonathin, January 2008

All of the arguments proposed by the 9/11 "Truth" movement are laughable and easily disproved.

It's the single most documented crime in history --it played out live in front of hundreds of millions of people-- and the fact that anyone could construe a conspiracy is amazing to me.

So, the incompetent Bush Administration was somehow able to either convince pilots on board commercial aircraft to fly murder/suicide missions or were able to find Air Force personnel insane enough to somehow remotely commandeer air craft and fly them --full of civilian passengers-- into not only WTC 1 and 2 but also into the Pentagon.

An Air Force pilot attacking the Pentagon? That would be like you tossing grenades at your parent's house.

More than that, the Bush Administration was somehow able to wire up the WTC towers without anyone knowing and predict just where the planes would strike. Then they were able to perform the only top-down controlled demolition in history.

And it all came off without a hitch.

Oh they bungled a little of course. These inhuman criminal masterminds were able to pull of the greatest deception the world has ever seen, but they weren't smart enough to hit the "delete" button or use a paper shredder since they had to go and blow up WTC 7 to cover their tracks. No word on why they would have wired 7 to begin with only to blow it hours later.

And why did they do all of this? As a pretext to enter the single most unpopular war since Vietnam; a war that may well cost the Republicans the White House, has already cost them Congress, has tarnished whatever legacy Bush would have had beyond repair, and completely trashed public confidence.

And the White House that couldn't keep a single damned thing secret --not Valarie Plame, not Gitmo, not Abu Ghraib, not the FISA taps, not even the internal strife between the SecDef and SecState-- somehow pulled off this incredible deception.

I do thank the 9/11 "Truth" movement for one thing. Since I was twelve years old I believed in all of the JFK conspiracy theories. I read all of the books, watched the Oswald mock-trial Geraldo did, devoured it all. Could quote you chapter and verse all of the "proof" there was that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the guy.

The 9/11 Truth movement held a mirror up to my own judgement about the Kennedy assassination and set me straight. I now see the JFK and 9/11 conspiracy theories for what they are: utter crap.
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"no one cares whether you shit hay or fart sunshine."
-Stoole in a Teacup

sorry, GF. if charlie sheen believes it, that's proof enough for me.

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"what kind of question is that?"

Gharland, see the generation gap can be bridged after all!

it's tough, seeing as he is from the so called "greatest" generation. it's gone to his head.

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"what kind of question is that?"

I have always wanted ask him what seeing a "talkie" was like for the first time.

Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close by Jonathan Safran Foer is a good book that approaches the effects of 9/11 from a really different angle.

Dave



Go Browns!!

"in the land of the blind, the man with the tie is king." - Jeff

I second that....it's a really good book. Foer's a wonderful writer.

Glad to see you read it, amy. He needs to write a new book soon!

Dave



Go Browns!!

"in the land of the blind, the man with the tie is king." - Jeff

Did you read his first book?

I did. Loved the book and the film.

Dave



Go Browns!!

"in the land of the blind, the man with the tie is king." - Jeff

I LOVED the book and didn't see the movie...as I didn't want to ruin the book. ;)

He must be writing something now. I think he's got to be one of the best young writers we have today. JJ loves him, too.

The movie is not as good, but that won't be a surprise. It is still GREAT, I think. Well acted all the way through.

Dave



Go Browns!!

"in the land of the blind, the man with the tie is king." - Jeff

thanks GF that was a great post up there regarding the truth movement

the bear

knock knock

I'm amazed at the truth movement people....they actually truly believe this...and are very vehement about it. I don't get it at all.

Tim:
I thought you said you'd never forget me....

oh I forgot, whos there

"thanks GF that was a great post up there regarding the truth movement

the bear"

What he said.


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Where's the lay of the land, my son

I third that thanks.

Jesus, I can't believe it's almost been 4 years since this thread. It still seems so surreal, yet I can remember this thread so vividly.

"let's also not forget what an incredible tool that our current president and his administration"

still relevant 4 years later

"Jesus, I can't believe it's almost been 4 years since this thread. It still seems so surreal, yet I can remember this thread so vividly."

If that's a joke, it's a good one.

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"I honestly think that ghosts are more real than unicorns."
-Kjo

^ it was.

Usually when people ask me what I was doing on September 11th I respond with 'what year?'

I still remember where I was when I first read this thread.
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